That depends a lot on the setup of your home/street. In that happy, low key tone, you could say something like: A broader issue in whether inviting yourself is okay is how much will people like your company once you're there? You go on a date and have a great time; you hang out, drink, and have a nice time, but he is not asking you to come over. Such a waste, from my perspective. But theres a lot wrong with painting peoples legitimate reasons for disliking unexpected people dropping by as some sort of irrational priggishness, and the cleaning remark is just gratuitously nasty. Generally, with close friends, I do the text and make plans like now approach. The house was never in fact very dirty and usually was fairly presentable even without the deep-clean, but my mom was ashamed and embarrassed by any perceived imperfection that she thought others would notice. (This, I think, arises in part from the opposite problemif someone were to suggest that they come along to something I had planned, I would have a VERY hard time refusing them even if I really didnt want them to be there. A different friend also didnt receive her invite, and she very reasonably expected to. Maybe later in the week, like Thursday or something? Everyone has different preferences about this, so it can be tricky to figure out what to do in general. I love hiking." I then, with friends who I had invited, discussed details of the plans and ideas and asked for opinions. the idea that not being invited in no way reflects your relationship with that person? Anything other than an enthusiastic yes is a no. Youve probably been dating him for a couple of weeks and now feel the need to take things to the next level and are wondering whether it is prudent to invite yourself over to his house. I love playing host, its true, but I use that phrase consciouslyplaying host. Its a role that I choose to put on, and it is not one that I would expect (or want!) Oh, great! I seem to have gotten better at finding people who actually value me, but I try my hardest not to impose Theres nothing quite like the realization that through a misunderstanding, youve encroached on a group that doesnt really want or like you. You could then and could now. ! like, uhh, at home because I thought the plans were canceled since you never got back to me.. I think it comes from the assumption that people in certain cultures have that everyone keeps their houses a basic level of clean. Especially all-day things. One guy showed up with his brother, cooked one meal, and then they sat on their butts and didnt lift a finger for five goddamn days while partner and I did all of the cooking, cleaning and tidying. I mean, if someone said I was driving by but didnt want to drop by in case it was rude (or even if you said I saw you driving by, why didnt you say hello? and they said that was the reason) then you could reassure them that youd be happy for them to come by any time. As cute as it might seem that he's thinking about you at 1 a.m. on a Saturday night after he's left the bar with his buddies and wants to see you last minute, it's not cute at all. 1. So it works better. We slept at one anothers houses. Ive had way too many experiences of feeling like Im intruding to do otherwise. When I really wanted to connect with someone, I used to read the soft no as a problem that I could solve, like, Oh, thats not a problem, I can come to you instead! I will deliver the free comic books to your house, along with ice cream, and that random vacuum cleaner part you once mentioned in passing that you needed! I looked at the reason for the refusal and ignored that it was a refusal. I totally understand that shame cleaning is a thing and I know the shame aspect of cleaning comes from a wide array of sources both personal and cultural and have felt/done it myself in certain circumstances. Some people love regularly showing up 30/45 minutes early every time to the point where weve started saying doors open at 6 because otherwise who even knows. We actually moved to a new unit in our complex to get away from her. Her friends tendency to just withdraw a little makes it unlikely that asking will yield good results. I think you can make dropping in less awkward just by paying attention to the cues the other person is giving you. Your comment about you deserve specific plans reminded me of a friend (these days more of an acquaintance) with whom I would make dinner plans on a semi-regular basis. Often the person will say oh keep doing what youre doing, I wont be a bother but having somebody else in my house is not relaxing or conducive to me doing things I was in the middle of doing. As an adult, I simply cant bring myself to go or do anything that I have not been explicitly invited to. But I guess this goes hand in hand with another (also common in my social circles) practice, that of regularly making tentative plans that are never executed. Christine Jones is an editor who likes to write about modern dating trends and dating tips. I loathe that kind of conversation, I cant initiate it. We should still be friends!. Goodbye, next time call a day or two in advance and we can schedule something.. Would that be fine, too? Places like that are MINE, are safe, are meant to be shields against the outside world. This leaves friend feeling frustrated that Im ignoring them and making it hard for them to plan their Saturday. If someone is going to turn up at my FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE err I mean apartment, I need to mentally prepare myself. A one-time escapade A girl wants to hang out alone after a first encounter where you've already kissed? And besides, when he rings the bell or knocks on the door and then takes like a giant step back its very awkward. It'd be too much trouble to formally ask everyone each time. As I said, I find these conversations miserable. Or if it was only a medium anxiety day I could have a brief chat with them on the stoop/porch and then decline the offer to hang out saying I was in the middle of something. It can feel highly embarassing that you cant maintain higher standards. It is at someones home, and if you were invited, youd already be invited, or the person will use this conversation to specifically invite you by adding If you are free, you are welcome to come. Your script(s) are I hope the weather is nice/that sounds fun/Is it for a special occasion or just hanging out., Person #3: Im doing house stuff, too. I like your suggestions about neutral spaces too, will definitely use that in future. So just read on and you will be ready to win the guy over. That suggestion is for adults who dont know each other all that well, not close friends like your son and T., and not children. This is about my comfort in my own home and has nothing to do with catering to guests, or being proper or mannerly. You go on a date and really enjoy it, you guys hang out, drink and have a good time. 1.6. Is this something I should be policing in my speech? The real standout is the time he came to a free preview of my show well and good and proceeded to hang around after curtain, and after notes, and until I had said, Call times at 5 tomorrow, guys, see you then! (Im sorry I have a lot of issues around this sort of thing ahahah). You can find other people who mesh with how you like to do things by being that person and modeling the behavior. Funny on TV (for certain values of funny), but not so much in real life. Ive never considered this dilemma from this particular angle (already doing something vs. not doing something). Usually one would suggest meeting at their own place or wait until the other person is doing so, I guess.|To a friend? THE LAUGHING GIRL MYSTERY. Its a drag having to answer the door, as I would prefer to ignore solicitors. This kind of stuff is hard, but I firmly believe that there are solutions that will make everyone happy without anyone having to feel ashamed of their preference, goddamnit. Pretty sure it didnt slip their mind. I married into a family that practices old-time Alaskan hospitality. Feel free to use. and we will talk social situations to DEATH. I am a supporter of the day-before or the early-that-morning text to remind people to check their calendar. Cleanliness and organization goes for your bedroom too. The sorts of people who like unexpected drop-ins will respond seamlessly with the right noises, the ones who dont can say sorry, busy or even yeah, lets go to Local Coffee Shop. He's not going to want to have you over again if he has to spend the next hour scraping bits of lasagna off the bottom of a pan. If you enter an already-going conversation specifically about a wedding I dont think you can claim that the topic is there to taunt you about what youre missing out on. But something like a board game night or a party where everybody but one person was invited, yeah Id avoid that because it seems mean. I shame clean when someone unexpectedly needs to be in my apartment (my super doesnt need to see my floor underwear), sure, and I would be annoyed with the LW for a sudden drop by in part for that reason, but when I know company is coming in advance Ienjoy the clean? I wow. I think I feel like the confirmation text allows for that while still letting me save face if those fears are realized? I can see how someone would find that rude. Im getting married in a little over 4 weeks (OMG OMG 4 WEEKS PANIC!!!) c. Dirty Dishes. 1600, masturbate to porn; 1630, cleanup; 1700, SO arrives. So if any of the people they had carefully arranged in their schedule/chessboard had the temerity to break pattern and show up early or try to clean under the bed or anything that threatened to bring the two sides of their lives together theyd explode with rageand since they couldnt talk about the actual cause of their anger, they often used bullshit nonsensical excuses, like, When you sweep for dustbunnies under the bed it implies you think Im a disgusting person. (Instead of: that is where I keep evidence about my affairs. They get so angry. Well, one way is not to mention things to people if theyre not invited. A ton of people who have executive function issues for various reasons struggle with guilt at their inability to meet this standard at all times, so they dont want to let others into their house without achieving that basic cleanliness level first. Potluck I need to bring an homemade dish to? (For myself, its exhausting and I dislike the constant stream of people; but I try to be friendly and pleasant, and dream of days when shes moved out or Ive moved somewhere more secluded. I had thought about naked secrecy ( another poster), but he did shower at night as a rule. I really really hate it when people use cultural differences as a convenient excuse to behave badly.It makes me feel like it's my fault for not knowing how things are supposedly done in this country. Always make room for a gracious no. I dont always remember (to check my calendar, that is.). What do you do? How about you suggest the idea to him in a way that will make it impossible for him to say no. said person has said, hey why dont you stick around for a while, in pretty much those exact words). . Saying Hey, Ill be dropping by in about ten minutes! is not asking, that is demanding. Want to hang out? Its just that my family builds onion layers of forbidden feelings, and it was impossible to guess which ones you were supposed to notice & do something about and which ones didnt exist. Ive ceased making overtures entirely, except for polite greetings when I see them out and about. So hell come back! Get him involved in the plans, but don't put him to work. I have appointments, errands, etc.). I tend to get to parties and stuff early because I have severe anxieties about being late. Seriously. You may even be fine with being seen as a fifth wheel, if it means you get to go somewhere you really wanted to attend. To me this seems rather mean-girlesque. Its definitely been the type of thing where they expect four people to join them for their birthday dinner and BAM, Clueless Cousin is there already. She may ask you to pass her her bag or move around you to get her bag. That is outrageous! I like to be alone. Many people are eager to know when Santa will come to their house. I may be asleep. I would have a lot less anxiety about visitors if I could trust people to listen to what Im asking them to do in my home, whether thats taking shoes off by the door or sitting the fuck down when asked to. Come up with a reason why you want to come over. I didn't mean for it to come across as an invitation. Physical issues too. Im not sure if its germane to this issue, but I considered her until about a year ago my best friend. If you are going to be in the neighborhood, and would like to meet up with someone who lives there, I might suggest a call or a text like Im going to be in your part of town, on Wednesday. maybe they thought i wouldnt like it, maybe they knew i was busy, or maybe? The thing that you are missing, it sounds very much like you miss it from a privileged position of not having safe-space related anxiety. Its 9:30am on a Saturday. Even if the person talking about the fun thing is a close friend, I clarify whether Im wanted there, and I try to do so in a way that doesnt sound like Im angling for an invitation. This was a bigger issue for my girlfriend at the time, but after a certain time hospitality would dictate that we offer food or drink, which extends the visit and expends house resources. Im, uh, Im actually really glad youre seeing a counselor because there are several red flags in this comment that make me think he might have been emotionally abusing you. Its not some kind of moral failing. +1 to this. Regardless your friend is letting you know shes not cool with it, which means you need to stop doing it to her specifically. If you think you are you could try. For example if someone is hosting a small dinner party, you probably shouldn't ask if you could attend at the last minute. Go to a place with someone, or 2. have someone to MY place/where I am going. Nobody dropped by after about 8pm without prior arrangement because the children were in bed there were rules. Im definitely a Guesser in the Ask vs. He moved cities for me. Me too! By agreeing on brutal honesty we can both have a good time while were having it, and end it when were not. The big takeaway from this post is that a lot of preferences are situational and individual. For you, that sort of cleaning might not be based in shame, but it is for others. I dont know if it was the same kind of thing for you, but my father and stepmother were always doing the Im going to ask you what sounds like a question but it really isnt and then shame you for failing to have manners I havent actually taught you and oh what an embarrassing child you are game. I think Miss Manners would concur that its incredibly rude to discuss plans in front of those who have been excluded (not by accident, but intentionally). Personally, Im totally fine with friends just showing up at my house. At the time we were both only working part time with some help from my student loans, and making an extra meal, possibly for all three of us, wasnt always a welcome expense. This may help put to rest frustrations I sometimes feel about issues where my preference runs counter to that of most people. Me: Goodnight, Britney. I have physical pain on a not-infrequent basis. I dont mind drop-ins, if its just a rare opportunity thing like they were down the street running an errand. I wrote letters. For my part, since most of my friends are similar, I try to make a habit of going, hey, do you want advice here, or are you just venting?. If shes trying to get space, the first thing she might be cutting is spontaneous interaction with person X. They need to have a talk about the state of things, and the LW needs to prepare for the idea that this friend might want a more distant situation or even hand off an African Violet here. I mean, math can still be hard, but its sooo much easier than solving math problems WITHOUT doing math, haha. This tactic has become so commonplace that many police departments counsel residents to always answer the door via intercom or by asking what the visitor wants (while keeping the door closed). The way I found to get kids my daughters liked to come over was to have a ten minute scheduling convo with the parent: get as explicit as possible about times that work well for you, and times that never work, and ask specifically about their times, and then hammer it home. Heres what I suggest. When a guy has a thing for you, he'll want to talk to you all the time and as often as possible. If its an emergency situation or a hey I remembered that I borrowed this from you or that you wanted to borrow this so I thought Id drop it off and then get back on my way Im ok with it. Because theyre way closer friends with me than him. So much this. Ahhhh! If she shouts at you? Its work, which is a coworkers and customers and me place, and unless the friends also happen to fit into one of those categories I dont want to see them. If you cant, at least call to update me! I was relieved when they moved out of state. understanding what the other person wants you to do or say about it Friend: Is that poop in your sink and on the wall? Mezzanines description is honest; its just setting an agreed-upon check-in point in advanceyou need to check in and see if I want you to leave after X time, at which point I will let you know how I feel. Those are really helpful sometimes, especially if a person doesnt always realize theyre starting to feel run down unless the topic comes up. Take it a step further, and youve a way of saying Im blameless. You want things to go right for T, and your son to be happy with the results as well, and leave T wanting more. Those good old days are likely to have sucked for people with anxiety disorders/other mental health issues/chronic pain/chronic fatigue. Equally women didnt drop by after 6pm on weekdays alone because then the men were home and so it would be couple socializing time. I think thats a polite expression though. I would say that if a guy invites you over, just say "how about we meet at x" and change the plans before you label him as a creep. Are you going to start showing up at my home when I was counting on alone time and I look like a raggedy doofus because Im wearing an old tank top and a sports bra?. I also feel discomfort from the other side, when Im the person who could have conceivably been involved but am not. Dating is awkward in every stage of life. Whereas I would be absolutely fine with a call or a text from the driveway but ringing my bell without warning runs the risk of sending me into an anxiety spin. Sometimes we had a great time, or got to catch up quickly when both of us had been busy. To me, it matters what sort of event it is. Since I became bedbound Ive had to have my parents here, in my house. Plus, Im mostly talking about making plans with friends who arent BFFs. You feel ratty, harassed, and youre frantically trying to make it look as if you do pay more than rudimentary attention to the housework if only to stave of questions about whether youre coping. Good for you for making them fix it. Use direct language, such as, "How about homemade lasagna and the new James Bond movie at your place Friday night?" Tell him you have a commitment and will need to leave his place by a certain time. I'll go into more detail below, but this is really one of those areas where you have to use your own judgment. My friends had it even worse with a guy who would show up at their house literally hours early. I am good at putting on the Social Face when I have to, but Ill be damned if I will summon it just because someone decided to drop in for the heck of it. Unsolicited doorbell Ill never answer but texting from the viscinity I feel like I can easily refuse, Sorry, not a good time, maybe next time or sure, lets meet at the cafe though, my house is a mess. . It certainly doesnt have to be exactly fifty-fifty, nor do I suggest you keep a detailed count of how often she initiates contact versus how often you do, but if youre doing all or almost all of the initiating, I would be suspicious that shes not actually acting like someone whos trying to be friends with you. I had a hard time getting back into the workforce with a gap in my resume and have since earned two degrees (for a total of four, now) to make myself more marketable. Your visit will not be successful even if you dont mind the mess, because the person who owns the mess will be able to think about nothing else. not to say you should construct an elaborate web of lies, just dont go on and on about it. I guess its not really shame for me, though? Today, after school. Never, under any circumstances, ever, show up to someones house EARLY. I poured out my heart. Youre feeling chills and fantasizing about going home with him. Hey QA, I had a relationship with someone who would get similarly furious if I turned up early or unannounced and I eventually realised it was part of a wider tendency to controlling and emotionally abusive behaviour (and with another ex it was that plus masking infidelity). Are you going to start showing up at my home when I was counting on alone time and I look like a raggedy doofus because Im wearing an old tank top and a sports bra? If you want me there, PLEASE invite me directly so I dont have to worry about my mothers disapproval! [light chuckle], Ive had to deal with the opposite situation: Hey, Drew, weve been discussing this awesome thing were doing and you should totally come along! Me, inside: I would rather floss my teeth with copper wire. Me, outside: Oh, I hope you guys have a great time; I just cant.. It wouldnt involve a reaming out. I have a friend that makes me crazy, because we have interactions like this: Friend: Hey, are you busy next Saturday? Inviting yourself over to someone's house for dinner? Often, when a guy invites you over, it could be because he is wanting to take the relationship to the next level and make a move. It didnt affect our friendship negatively at all, just clarified a boundary. A little heyyy Im gonna be about an hour or so late! wouldnt go amiss, would it? Also don't give a room a complete makeover without gaining permission to do so first. (When I am up for visitors) the people welcome in my home fall into two categories: Family, and Company. Hope to catch up soon. And then let her be the next one to reach out. Also, the very few times Ive had someone text because they were walking by, they usually invited me down for a walk, rather than inviting themselves up into my space. What's tricky about all of this is how much it depends on a mix of factors. Im also really careful not to ask my daughter for her preferences unless I really plan on taking them into consideration. If shes been increasingly distant, maybe theres something else going on. Although I still would only do it in a more extreme or solitary instance, rather than a pattern of behavior. Para enviarnos tus inquietudes, ideas o simplemente saber ms acerca de Cuida Tu Dinero, escrbenos. That is also the way the kids here in our neighborhood do it, they knock but to invite the person out or over, not themselves in. Ring the doorbell 2. Look, there's a good chance if she's agreed to come over, you'll end up in bed together, and the last thing you want is to bring her into a lair of disarray. Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Cocktail outings are one thing, because oh, Ill just pull up an extra chair is hard to argue with. I invite my parents to visit with the intended side-effect of getting the darn house cleaned up beyond: Oh, uh, the mail is all in one pile, and I think Ive collected the worst of the catumbleweeds.. Books take some time to finish, so if he invests that time in an interest that you have, that may mean he likes you. I was coming to say the same thing. I mind the mess! Where I grew up there was an open door culture. My example above works well for both his and my anxieties. Your apartment is definitely not an option coz lets assume you have a roommate who probably doesnt feel great about it. Different strokes and all.). My rule of thumb is to not go anywhere where I have not been expressly invited (kind of like the vampires in the Captains hilarious trailer). Growing up society has taught you that most men prefer to be initiative takers and it gets scary when a woman takes the lead. *et cetera*. However, as long as I have time to grab a shower and put on my going outside pants, you arent really imposing here. 1 pm. If you made dinner at his house, leave the kitchen cleaner than when you arrived. (However if it is D&D weekend I might just tell you to come over anyway!). 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