So I was finishing up my 21st conference at Covenant of Grace Church in St. Charles when I heard people talking about the coming storm. So I started looking at the weather and my travel plans. Salvation also support the corrupt modern Bible versions. That hardly seems right. He uses hyperbolic language to suggest the Council of Trent really doesnt anathematize Protestants (even though it was written in direct response to the reforms of Luther and others) and seems to be intent on playing the lets all just get along mantra. Before that time I was not really acquainted with any of the apologetics blogs on either side. Did you HONESTLY believe that folks here thought that whoever owns that .org addy didnt know the address he was sending the traffic toward? It is vile. The reason I say that is that White has now posted pictures depicting those who have urged him to be more charitable with Frank Beckwith as radical Muslims protesting and urging beheading. I wont let the people in this com box color my judgments on the catholic faith because I still have respect for itbut i wonder when i see so called catholics acting so uuncharitable and rude . And, it is becoming obvious, you were just trying to make a fight. Nice job sneaking in the hate reference (Islamists & Jews). peace. The Eucharist, Sola Scriptura and Tradition, Proclaiming the Gospel of Grace in Salt Lake. Doing so is a good illustration of what happens when you hang on to something without considering the context. Ray, This Teaching ultimately led me into the Roman Catholic Church 25 years later. Given that the site was registered in a manner to best preserve anonymity, it looks like it was maliciously done; there is a chance that someone is playing a joke, though, and just didnt want it to be found out that quickly. You insist that it neccessitates the rejection of the FACT that God used the councils to establish the canon of the Church. blatantly going against the grain of the general tone around here Actually, CB, thanks to your shining example we dont have to. (Though no one ever seems to call out Muslims who make Racism! accusations when they really mean Islamophobia [sic]. The no name is me. That its okay for James White to post pictures of terrorists and make the comparison between these terrorists and Catholics. For example, you can choose any other kind of flower that is your favorite, or other colours that match better with your vibe. As I have already proventhe pictures do not compare Roman Catholics to terrorists. T.A. Humbly, Is everything in Foxes book of martyrs a mere fabrication? Im not interested in White and his fanboys/fangals diversion into Nicaea, sola scriptura and whatnot. of Mapname.com customer 3 Im assuming that those two lengthy posts are addressed to me even though they say Mary rather than Mary Kay. The Canon of Scripture (i.e, just what books actually belong in the Bible) cant be found in the individuals books that comprise the bible. There seems to already be plenty of paper flying between the two feuders. another oh Doing evil that good might result is not I wasnt aware Wikipedia was an authoritative source in any arena, including theological debate. Catholic.com is registered in the clear to Catholic Answers, since 1995. that, to the weak, I became weak Dr. White, even should he think that Catholics are merely unredeemed fallen human beings, in order not to give scandal to his own ministry, This thread was about his humor And enter it into the form so that it would do what it does. Mr. Akin is the victor now, due to no truth or veracity on his part or his positions. This calls into question the posters sanity. The traditions actually cloud the truth of the scriptures in Modern Judaism. That alone should be enough to appease some people but as of this writing, the pictures are still there. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them (John 20:23). What does Constantine have to do with Henry VIIs control of the Church of England? The reality is, these men have no *consistent* way of disambiguating , . Unsubstantiated? Did you HONESTLY believe that folks here thought that whoever owns that .org addy didnt know the address he was sending the traffic toward? Even I could read Scripture in a variety of ways. Dont make the mistake of assuming I hold the same low standard as you. The brouhaha between the parties is of longstanding. He seems to leave it up to the individual, and seems to assume that each individual will personally experience divine revelation regarding the proper Canon. Thatd be a really uninformative debate. Back to the point, the setup smells. I was addressing the Roman Catholic apologetics community. Thus, perhaps you see now at least a potential source of frustration for the Reformed Caucus. So, how about you incorporate some amazing linework in your alpha omega tattoo? But its starting to look to me like almost everyone who White squares off against winds up feeling personally offended. did I? Youve got White acting like Perry Mason, as if catching Beckwith playing fast and loose with his various understandings of Trent is going to make him finally jump up and shout, All right, I admit it! Maccabees (II) Or maybe its just a game. Well, thats true enough in its own way. Using Whites own arguments I will respond to Esau. Surely you jest. And I think his analogy to jihad is an apropos means of expressing it. That might be what you see, but not everyone sees it that way. Although, given the most recent burst of childishness, Im starting to think that its more likely than I thought. b. why do they not seriously deal with the issues that are presented by Protestant apologists.Case in point please. None of the folks who demanded a response will answer your statements. Mr Akin should debate Mr White and quit hiding behind excuses. 5 days and counting and no one has interacted with Dr. Whites points. I challenge you to back up your words with evidence showing where Dr. White has always proclaim(ed) victory. If you had taken the time to examine CareBears comments, you would see that he is judging James Whites innocence merely on the basis of this one post of Jimmy Akin alone. God Bless. See more ideas about tattoos, body art tattoos, alpha omega tattoo. For example, when Jimmy Akin has stated something incorrectly on a post, youll still find the original statement he made there and that it had only been redlined out (so-to-speak) with the appropriate corrected statement featured above the original one. Eric, As for my depth of study in church history (including the Father), I consider it sufficient to justify the statements I am making. His methods of distortion are to Catholicism what Richard Dawkins is to Christianity in general he reads, but not too deep. But that was my fault because I was not clear in my intentions. I honestly believe that winning the debate is more important to him that really knowing the truth, or, believing as he does, trying to help Catholics get to heaven. Lets be honest, if it were anyone other than him posting pictures like that people wouldnt be reacting in such a manner. Which is it? I suppose such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though. Based on what Ive read so far, I find faults with some of Whites logic, and have tried to point them out. I dont know of many Catholic Bishops debating with White in particular or Protestant apologists in general. I have two kids to watch and put to bed. http://mp3.aomin.org/JRW/PrejeanCall.mp3 Did I/Do I think it reasonable to do so? Apologetics, Faraston Seminary, 1995, M.A. CatholicWayne, Eldad and Modad The Revelation of Elias Abu Bakr Siddique Mosque, Erasmia, South Africa, North-West University, Potchestfroom, South Africa, Southern Evangelical Seminary, Charlotte, North Carolina, With Michael Brown vs. Sir Anthony Buzzard and Joseph Good, London, England, Unbelievable Radio Broadcast, Grace Reformed Babptist Church, Long Island, NY. re: Whites arguments posted by carebeer: There have been some wonderful posts with many great insights (at least for me personally). Trying to shame White beyond his own personal offense, though, was wrong. 3) James White always proclaims victory in debate even when he clearly is not the victor. it wasnt a smear at all, but rather a big (and possibly willful) misunderstanding by (If hed meant for *all* of his followers to be able to bind and loose their own sins, he would have told the Disciples to tell them so. It cries out for a Caliph or a Pope or a Poll-Driven Ministry, whatever will work. Eph 4:14: Or are you going to evade the question once again by mindlessly following the ravings of an Internet Apologist! I do think you have a point. It was supposed to be a hypothetical, as follows (changes in bold): Very interesting contrast from Zakir Naiks own mouth (again illustrating why Naik refuses to debate those who could expose his arguments). They are, at the very least, in poor taste, intended to hurt. At this point, I humbly submit that with reason and logic rendered irrelevant and useless to probe the mystery of God, we would have no applicable tools to interpret scripture either personally or otherwise. Where? //Calling on Godwins law is a form of neener, neener. It was quite the horrendous act and I pray White comes to see that and to repent, for his own spiritual wellbeing. Actually, could you provide the title of the book??? That some people behave badly is not a reflection on Christianity or Catholicism itself. 2023 Alpha and Omega Ministries. All Rights Reserved. Shut em down now, Jimmy. This is DISHONEST folks! redefine repentance to mean a I think he just lost a lot of people. Are Temples Consistent with NT Christianity? As Zack was pastoring in the summer 2012, he was awakened to the abortion holocaust and has never been the same since. Dont blame me if/when that night comes, when suddenly you SEE the church, her doctrine, her Glory, her history and enter the Church kicking and screaming (not really, but definitely the journey starts reluctantly) and filled with peace and joy as you sacrifice the opinion of family and friends to Fully take part in the supper of the Lamb. Jesus himself existed outside of timethe Holy Trinity was not established 2000 years ago after all Jesus himself said that before Abraham I am. Esau, Tell me did James White even deal with the issues? Jesus wants me to be rich. I do remember the conversation (although excuse me for not remembering every detail) it turns out my recollection was pretty good. Mary is correct that if you had posted something specific, it would be easy to copy and paste, just as Ive done with your comments. It is not easy, therefore, to expose the fallacy by which a false classification is created to swamp a unique thing, when it really is a unique thing. Isnt this the kind of answers that Roman Catholic apologists hate? Knowledge infallible is purely dependant upon God, but in the scheme of Author to reader as devised in his example, there is also a component of human reception and explanation that needs to be addressed. Thanks for your above post. Why on earth should we read Whites book in addition to Scripture? Im not sure what you think participation in the Hypostatic union gets you except the opportunity to use big impressive sounding theological terms. Its kind of part of the package deal of being a confessing sinner. BELIEVES the Gospel has eternal life, which can never be forfeited or Altogether, this has got to be one of the best alpha omega tattoo designs available for you to use. and a card from Magic: the Gathering, which had a really, really pretty drawing and this quote: only a fool fears foxfire. I hope somebody picks his marbles off the floor before he slips on them. Designs like this look very chic and are most commonly opted for by women. as #1.) I just want to make a quick comment. Jason Wrote: Carebear, James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. It smells like a prank, like someone causing trouble. Also, I remember one of the Sungenious debates one where he lashed out angerily at White repeatedly and White kinda toned down his boldnes, so to speak, as to say that he didnt want the debate to turn into a slug fest. And I do understand that this blog represents, to a certain degree, you feelings, and should be more raw than a formal article or text. Note that it doesnt matter whether or not a person is correct in their attempt to admonish. SighI reckon its a tragic cycle of internet violence. John, He also loses any debate on this point via special application of Godwins Law. Thats not Ed youre seeing in the mirror. B.A. With fearful knowledge that Jesus our Lord shall judge my poor imitation of Christ in this and all my doings, I nevertheless remain your servant and brother in Christ, FAT CHANCE!!!! Name above all names Not utter nonsense. New Testament Reliability -Can you trust the Bible? It was Christ Himself, and no one else, Who chose His Apostles and disciples, and commanded them to teach His doctrines to all the world. Carebear, comments like: Those to Whom they personally Handed down they Faith and their Authority? Youll get that casuistry degree yet. and 3] learn church history, archaelogy and let that information soften your collective memory [which is another word for embedded prejudice. GOD knows who did it, but one thing can be certain, NO PROTESTANT would go through such extremes let alone steer folks to Catholic Answers. Ed, I wasnt looking in a mirror. Im not interested in those arguments, nor in the well-blasted trenches of apologetics warfare, which I have avoided throughout, thanks. Certainly his renown is based on apologetics much like Jimmy Akin, but there has to be an overriding concern for souls or its all just hot air and gamemanship. Mind backing that up? That authority has been passed down through Apostolic succession. Salt Lake City, Utah, Road Trip Schedule Debate: What is Marriage? Besides, Bills right that its a hijack attempt. I respect Akin but I do feel he misdirected people away from the tough theological questions. This was one of the hardest parts for me in my conversion. Then see if youre still defending the guy. McR: Theres another Mary here also.). It just means his character doesnt always reflect Christ (whose does? discussion in this thread. Sorry, Im not dead set on assuming the conclusion that they were wrong when I dont find them wrong in the first place. There is no reason to believe that an alpha omega tattoo cannot incorporate both the philosophical and religious essence of the symbols. He is allowing Satan a stronghold in his ministry, and I think he will find that ministry will not be as fruitful. Sure, there are those blessed with such patience as to bear the insult gracefully. http://www.jamesrwhite.org now points at Whites siteSuspicious, eh? Ally continued: James was clearly in a bind. Didnt go quite a full hour today as I mainly interacted with the clip of Zuby interviewing Andrew Tate and his conversion to Islam. Thank you for finally providing something with which to work. The point I was attempting to make earlier in this thread (since the website was again brought up as an issue) with my Disciples of James White Conspiracy Theory is that it is just as ridiculous as the Catholic Answers/Jimmy Akin/Catholic Church Conspiracy Theory. This is indeed childish behavior. The first sentence relates to your secret, private revelation as to what you think I was saying. Perhaps SOMETHING will be achieved that way. What a weak excuse Johnathan. People actually thought Dr. Beckwith was serious? put such a harsh light on the historic abuses of Rome Yes it is, have you read at all? Your problem is with the historical record, not us. . Inocencio Theoretically, wouldnt God perfectly intend for us to know, oh say, the Canon of Scripture if indeed Scripture was to be our sole Authority? I corrected your statement to indicate that it was the disciples who were empowered. Christians we are commanded in Jude 1:3 to earnestly contend for Demands for combox explanations are usually futile. There is one last thing I would like to note. Your bad was imputing malicious intent on the most tenuous of circumstantial evidence. Does anyone have an answer to the Protestant position? You must be afraid/confused/arrogant/stupid etc. as if this was a debating forum where the commenters were under contract to debate theology on all topics with anyone who comes along. James White does not. Note to CareBear: You have me confused with someone else. Really Esau? I think White momentarily confuses his predefined terms. It was a pretty hard question to answer as you might imagine. You probably think this post is about you you called me a name-caller and labeled my actions as inappropriate and vile. Sola Scriptura and the Early Church in Sola Scriptura! Unless it concerns history, which is my pet topic, then Im in there like a flash. The next Catholic who calls for the beheading of James White will see me join you in denunciation. Of course, I know both of you will continue on ignoring these facts, but, now that you have been informed you cant claim ignorance of the subject. To those who defend the pictures, they are: The Councils of Carthage? What's great about the Omega tattoo is that it can be placed just about anywhere. 2. Jesus did not write, in a physical sense, any of the books that are included in Holy Scripture surely He could have nade it clear to even the most dense of us (me). Oh, and I see White has followed the template over at his blog: (1) stir up trouble with a bonehead statement; (2) act the victim when called on it; (3) change the subject by proffering some hobbyhorse topic/argument; (4) shake his head sadly while professing his allegiance to the Gospel [sic] and noting his opponents assumed allergy to the same; and (5) claim victory, after noting throughout, sotto voce, his obvious merits. Recorded on May 15, 2017 in London: Do the Catholic Churchs Teachings on Mary Constitute Authentic Christian Doctrine? 55 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. But I do understand Dr. Whites sense of frustration. Ah, you are looking the wrong way. Maybe, if you want to get to the bottom of things, considering you indulge conspiracy theories, its a start. ie urging one another to fully live the gospel in every aspect of our life. Cross-post. Dont you?. Excerpt from Whites blog article: You are wrong about me judging Dr Beckwiths thoughts BTW. You dont insult a man you intend to persuade. [21][22][23][24], White has written multiple books critical of Roman Catholic theology, including the books; The Roman Catholic Controversy, Mary: Another Redeemer? CareBear says Just who is the you in your comment: Excuses like "it was just a little levity" count for nothing. The matter gets even muddier when probing conversions to the majority of Christian denominations which reject OSAS outright or those that go a step further and introduce elements such as liturgy and sacraments. Apologetical discussions often take place in the comment boxes here, since Jimmy is an apologist and posts on related topics, but thats not their only function, and if it was, I wouldnt enjoy it half so much. Beautiful Savior the Catholic Church is, I believe, truly Christs Church He had even gone to the extent of condescendingly putting down Foxfire, ridiculing her, as well as those who would defend Akin, who is but an Internet Apologist. sharp contrast to the heresy of Paul Washer, John MacArthur and James White, Could It Get Any Loonier? if he repents doesnt seem to require us to forgive those who do not repent. *see above posts for examples* White chooses Nicea as some type of magical benchmark, because certain beliefs werent formally defined then, even though the belief existed (i.e., transubstantiation). 56 He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me: and I in him. Ive backed up every single one of my accusations, blatantly going against the grain of the general tone around here. As the creator of said images, I gave those images their name. Or the Massachusetts Bay Colony? I dont know the history between the two of them, but it does seem as if White has some obsession about Jimmy. Example: My favourite example of the argument, courtesy Philip Pullmans interview with Third Way Magazine. The comparison was made between those who are asking for a charitable attitude from Mr. White, yet do not display it themselves. How does one handle the existing situation where different people/groups disagree on what books are a part of the Canon? Here, the alpha and omega letters are placed in such a manner, that it is easy to see and separate the symbols. Since you have probably never heard of me, as you do not, as far as I know, have a scholarly interest in humor, you can check out my research on the web (google my last name and the word, humor). He complains that his interlocutors are refusing to discuss his real points, which Hence, when you combine all that with an anchor and the alpha and omega, which also attributes to Jesus, it could translate to mean that your beliefs are strongly anchored in the teachings of Christianity. 15 And how shall they preach unless they be sent I think his stupidity is a defense against the Truth that is the Roman Catholic Church. Please note Im only an average layperson (and I never really post online), so what I say might be in error. Registrant Street1:P.O. He has lived for some time in the greater Phoenix area, in which Arizona State University resides. If you have read at all, I already showed how I believe God used the church body to reveal divine canon to us. If they are your questions, then take ownership of your questions. The evasion in the answer is obvious. Can somebody say LAWSUIT??? 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